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Outside the Church There Is No Salvation... CONNECTICUT CATHOLIC CORNER - July 13, 2017 This argument discussion comes up continually in my Catholic circles. I hear people quoting assorted Saints and who said what before and after Vatican II as a way of determining whether or not a reference is reliable. The more authentic orthodox crowd always wants the resources from at least a decade or two prior to VII and the should I say it... today's-typical-Catholic want whatever is new and clear to their thinking. Each is basing ...